Thats nice of you Richard.

Actually - I think if a Gadget was in its own gallery it would attract more attention from the people that do not have desktopX and know they can use a Gadget.

Right now there is a " Widget" newly uploaded. I just went to see it. It plainly states " You do not need desktopx to run this "

(Because it is not a widget - it is a Gadget - but nowhere does it say its a Gadget )

Right above this it says " Widgets are mini applications etc etc etc  that require desktopX to run. Then gives links to desktopX to download.

I just hate when things contradict themselves.

A Gadget might in fact get 10 times the downloads as a widget would - if it were in a gallery that stated it was a Gadget. If you didnt have desktopX you wouldnt even go to widget gallery....knowing you cant run a widget without it.

Thanks I'll probably just make widgets from now on...

Thanks I'll probably just make widgets from now on

I htink you should make gadgets too Richard. Just post them to DesktopGadgets.com. They can use the traffic and if it's something really great you can make a profit on them.

Again, gadgets might be good tools/toys for average users. By most measures you might want to use, folks at WC are not "average".

Thanks...

The reason that one person uploads only gadget versions is that he runs things in russia and widgets he codes there seem to not work here. The reason i posted the gadget version of my Sport Strip here was because i wanted to allow people to find it and download it, and see if its worth actually purchesing. It is a trial version, but that didnt stop someone from hacking it and making a full working version out of it. I agree that there needs to be a GADGET section on here but we are going to have MAJOR issues..

1. Google GADGETS are NOT DX Gadgets and they DO require Google Desktop to use
2. Vista has some version of a GADGET as well
3. DesktopX Gadgets are not really gadgets but stand-alone program not requiring ANYTHING else to run them.

I see people getting VERY confused with Gadgets in the next few years, with MS/Google/DX all using the same name for 3 totally different things.

There is another reason people post gadget versions of things here, and that is to protect their code. I understand this completly, i have used a lot of code here (and almost ALL WITH permission) but i know there are people that make a lot of really great things and dont want someone who can make pretty drawings take their code, lets say a weather widget, and mass produce 2000 versions of it without really knowing how it works, or even what was involved in making the code. So by posting it as a gadget, they are protecting their work. I believe this is a right for every skinner.

I believe this is a right for every skinner.

I don't have a problem with them protecting their work that way. However, they don't belong in the Widget section then.

I see people getting VERY confused with Gadgets in the next few years, with MS/Google/DX all using the same name for 3 totally different things.

Which is the only point any of us are making - it is confusing enough to most people the gadget/widget thing. Mixing them only creates further confusion. As for protecting your codes - absolutely. I can understand that if you've worked hard writing the code and if your trying to make a Gadget for sale I totally understand this.

I know a lot of us use martins and tiggz's scripts. But without their generosity of sharing, 50% of desktopX users would be lost and not able to do much at all.
I will never understand script - im not that educated in computers but I like to use desktopX and I thank anyone that shares their knowledge with me.

And i completely agree we need a GADGET section, and i would have no problem moving the gadget i have here to there. I have posted about this before, several times.

I also agree that without people sharing their code most of the work i have done wouldn't have happened at all. But it needs to be up to the person posting the widget/gadget.

Unless someone in charge here decides to make this change there is not much we can do here is there?

I htink you should make gadgets too Richard. Just post them to DesktopGadgets.com. They can use the traffic and if it's something really great you can make a profit on them.

The problem with this is multiple fold. One, it takes a VERY long time (up to a month) to get a gadget posted to DG.com. Also, it will not get the kinds of downloads or attention it does posted here. And if he is posting something on DG and charging for it, its not that great to give it away here for free.

I have posted all about DG and I think there are still some issues that need addressed.

It would be nice to see what the "powers that be" think about this issue (Gadgets section that is).

The problem with this is multiple fold. One, it takes a VERY long time (up to a month) to get a gadget posted to DG.com. Also, it will not get the kinds of downloads or attention it does posted here. And if he is posting something on DG and charging for it, its not that great to give it away here for free. I have posted all about DG and I think there are still some issues that need addressed. It would be nice to see what the "powers that be" think about this issue (Gadgets section that is).

Wow - I was unaware it took that long to post a Gadget there and I thought you could post free ones there too. Perhaps if they do not have room for a Gadget Gallery here - maybe just changing the widget section to include them ( which is not the best solution ) and maybe change the icon that shows when a Gadget is in the " Just In " Gallery so it looks different from a widget - then at least its more " understood "

I wasnt really referring to the Gadget you particularly uploaded here - more like a few I ran across trying to tweak in DX and kept getting that " error message " that at the time I didnt understand because it was a Gadget but was never stated.

Like you said - we dont really have a say in this so I guess its a moot point.
So until then - you have a perfect right to upload them here.

You can post gadgets for free, and there are a lot of them there, but Zu was making the point that Richard could post his gadgets at DG and make a little money too.

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Weird. Re #26 I just read that paragraph from the Wikipedia article on Christmas. Don't know why he posted it here.

It's strange I never realized there were gadgets mixed in with the widgets before. I agree that they should be kept in seperate sections. As to the original post I agree with all three points to a degree. I made a gadget once back when I knew next to nothing about DX, but that was only because I looked at the 3 options (object, widget, gadget) as ranging from 'okay' to 'superior' so I figured hey, SUPER-SIZE ME! Since then I have found widgets to be far superior to gadgets from a customizing standpoint and I have never made a gadget again. The other day I came to realize one of the more important uses of gadgets. Someone had seen my ATW! Global Clock on my friend's desktop and wanted to use one too. Without thinking about it I was like 'well just tell him where to download'. My friend then reminded me that the person did not have Desktop X. My friend said something to the effect of me needing to make a stand-alone version, and he was right. Gadgets are for those people who would like to use the cool stuff we DXers use but do not want to all the hassle of installing yet another program when it doesn't do anything but display the time, weather, and news. Yes, to those who are not into scripting that's basically all DX does for them. In my opinion gadgets are like all products in the real market place. It's all about the average end-user and anticipating their needs. Think about it, when you buy a DVD player or a digital camera from the store you're not going to take it home, crack it open and start tweaking it to your customizing needs. You make sure when you buy it that it has all the options you want, and so do the makers of the products. When you make a gadget you have already anticitpated the fact that the end-user doesn't have DX. If you go even further and anticipate all the options and customizing needs of the end-user then I think that's when a gadget surpasses a widget in usability, practicality, and value. It's alot to ask for coders to anticipate the whims of the end-user but I guess it's something to strive for, just like all products we see in the market everyday. I think it's all really up to the creators to make the average end-users and indeed us DXers take gadgets more seriously as both useful and customizable. That's my 2 cents.