A silly little blog for me to drop the excrement of my mind.
Published on March 15, 2005 By BlueDev In Religion
Faith is a fascinating thing. We all have it, to some degree, though many choose to pretend they don't.

Most of us probably have faith that the sun will, in fact, rise each morning, marking the dawn of a new day. We probably have faith that we will be able to rise the next morning in pretty much the same condition as when we went to sleep. And the list goes on and on, little things we do each day because we have faith we can or faith they will happen.

Why do we have faith in those things? Because we have witnessed them happening in the past. We have proof that they can, and will, occur. But when we begin to talk about faith in a supreme being, things become much more sticky. Right?

I'm not too sure about that.

Proof seems to be the central idea for those who do and don't have faith in a god. Those with faith often claim they have proof that He (she or it, as you may) exists, while those without faith ask, and even demand, for proof. That is what they are waiting for: proof.

But would proof really make a difference? Growing up I was warned countless times not to touch the stove. I was told it was hot, witnessed things cooking (and even burning) on the stove. What more proof could I have asked for? But was that sufficient? Of course not. Only once I touched the hot stove and burned myself did I really appreciate and understand the concept of a hot stove. And I can guarantee I am not the only one who has had to learn this way either.

We don't really appreciate gravity until we are really victims of it. How's the water? we ask, only to ignore the answer and test if for ourselves. And while I have been a witness and participant in the birth of numerous children, and have ample proof of the pain it causes, do I really know and understand that pain? Having not experienced it, the answer is resoundingly negative.

So why the special treatment to things spiritual? If in the physical world we rarely truly believe and understand until we experience something for ourselves, why should the spiritual be different? Those who demand proof do so with empty words, knowing full well there will be none, but also knowing that if any was offered they will refute it because they haven't experienced it themselves.

If video, photos, and audio recordings aren't enough to convince a significant number of the population that man actually has walked on the moon, what evidence could be offered to prove the existence of a god? Nothing will ever suffice, which is likely the very reason it is so frequently demanded. Because there is no external proof that will ever amount to anything.

In spiritual matters experience is the only true teacher. As a missionary I taught hundreds of people about the "fruit of the Spirit" (Galatians 5: 22-23). I shared my experiences in which I have, through exercise of faith, received a spiritual witness to the truth of a principle. I have borne witness to what I have discovered through my own study, meditation and prayer. But that can serve as nothing more than a means to encourage others to do the same. Only once they chose to study, read, meditate, and pray did they come to understand what I had so tirelessly explained.

And so this paradigm of faith extends as much (if not more so) to the spiritual as it does to the physical. Throughout our lives we test the physical world with our own senses, discovering for ourselves what truth there may be. The smell of a flower, the taste of salt, the touch of a newborn's skin, all can only be understood by experience. The world's foremost expert on scent could never do, in a hundred years, what can be done with one simple, single sniff of a rose bud. Likewise, reams of historic evidence, personal accounts, and even a note, signed, sealed and deliver by the hand of God Himself mean nothing in the absence of personal experience.

The burden of proof rests neither on the believers (to prove a god does exist) nor on the unbelievers (to prove a god does not exist). Rather, the burden of proof rests on each of us to take that path of discovery for ourselves. And neither I, nor anyone else, can tell you what you should find on that path. We can only bear witness to what we have found walking our own.

Comments
on Mar 15, 2005
A refreshingly insightful article in the midst of so many recently pointless arguments on the subject.

>> Likewise, reams of historic evidence, personal accounts, and even a note, signed, sealed and deliver by the hand of God Himself mean nothing in the absence of personal experience.

bingo.
on Mar 15, 2005
Thanks Raven. I appreciate that.
on Mar 16, 2005
The synchronicity of this piece and my own reading and meditation is quite comforting, BlueDev. Only this morning I was reading and meditating on Stanza 15 in the Tao Te Ching, which is entitled 'Appreciating The Mysterious' and is as follows:

'Looked at, it is not seen:
It is named the Obliterated.
Listened to, it is not heard:
It is named the Rarefied.
Grasped, it is not had:
Name it the Infinitesimal.
Nothing further can be demanded of these three,
Yet they intermingle and become one.
Its heights are not bright,
Its depths are not dark.
It's as unbounded rope that, unable to be named,
Reverts to nothingness.
It is called
The presence of no presence,
The form of the formless.
Facing it, one sees not its head.
Following it, oine sees not its back
Hold fast to the Tao of old
To manage the affairs of today.
From this one may know
The ancient beginnings.
This is called the thread of the Tao.'

The translation notes indicate the knowledge of Tao cannot be gained through sensory means i.e. touch, smell, taste etc. I have no doubt this is what your article refers to as 'faith'. It could be called undefinable or ineffable but I also think it is found in the simplicity of being, of the maintenance of positivity and the diligence of being truthful. While I have faith in myself, my family and friends and even in the greater good of man, I also have faith in the higher hand guiding my life. Whether this be God as identified by Christians, or the Buddha or even something beyond our mortal comprehension, I have faith.

Rather, the burden of proof rests on each of us to take that path of discovery for ourselves. And neither I, nor anyone else, can tell you what you should find on that path. We can only bear witness to what we have found walking our own.


This is truly profound and insightful. If there were more people thinking this way, rather than arguing for or against, I think a lot more people would be at peace with themselves and therefore, with the great world surrounding them. I apologise for being so long winded but the subject bears great discussion.
on Mar 17, 2005
I apologise for being so long winded but the subject bears great discussion.


First off, please never apologize for your contributions, long or short. They are always appreciated.

The translation notes indicate the knowledge of Tao cannot be gained through sensory means i.e. touch, smell, taste etc.


Exactly. Far too often I see and hear people (myself included) looking for physical evidence of that which is spiritual. By reducing the immortal to the mortal, the holy to the mundane, the supernatural to the natural we cheapen it to a level that will never have meaning in our lives. We can only understand the spiritual if we accept it as such: spiritual. And the only way to gain insight in this regard is through personal experience. No one else can provide that for you.
on Mar 17, 2005
Far too often I see and hear people (myself included) looking for physical evidence of that which is spiritual.


I do too. Faith is a very personal thing...trying to condense it and explain it often proves to be an exercise in futility.

Good to see you quoting the Tao, Maso

Wonderful article, Dev....you scored an insightful from me!
on Mar 17, 2005
And so this paradigm of faith extends as much (if not more so) to the spiritual as it does to the physical


I believe that we'll all reach a stage on our path when faith will eventually transform into intuition, which in turn will transform into knowledge. This might take a few lifetimes, mind.
on Mar 17, 2005
Faith is a very personal thing...trying to condense it and explain it often proves to be an exercise in futility.


It really is, which is why it is so ridiculous to demand proof. Those things in life that really matter require effort. And what matters more than our (and our families) spiritual well being? I know some would disagree with me, but my spiritual well being is more important to me than my physical even. And since it is so important we can't expect it to be revealed by cheap evidence. It wouldn't mean anything. The search and the journey takes place in each of us. We can help others along the way, but ultimately it all depends on each of us to walk that path of faith for ourselves. Thanks for your comment dharma.

when faith will eventually transform into intuition, which in turn will transform into knowledge


Interesting thought Andy. And while I may not agree with the few lifetimes thought, I do agree with the central tenet you propose: That as we exercise our faith it can become more than faith, eventually becoming a perfect knowledge. Thanks for stopping by.
on Mar 17, 2005
my spiritual well being is more important to me than my physical even.


It is only in the last few years I too have started to really appreciate this. As I have, the 'physical' seemed to take care of itself. Gaining a real sense of personal faith, of any sort, is as good a remedy to physical ailments as any medicine. (Of course, I'm not making light of your chosen profession, my friend, just pointing out what has worked for me).

And since it is so important we can't expect it to be revealed by cheap evidence. It wouldn't mean anything.


My thoughts exactly. Faith is not something kept in a drawer and taken out to put on show only when one wants to wear it. I hear people talk about having faith or being of faith yet only really practising once for an hour or so on Sundays. The rest of the time, they behave as they please, not guided by their spiritual side, but by the sensory world. It seems to me like a lot of folk don't want to take any real responsibility for strengthening and enhancing their own, personal faith.

as we exercise our faith it can become more than faith, eventually becoming a perfect knowledge


I believe the more we give ourselves to our chosen faith and I mean really give ourselves, the less we actually have to concentrate on upholding its values etc and the more we can just simply live. I've been meditating on this very idea for some time now. The simplicity of it is beautiful (oh, man, I am so sounding a hippy ).

Dharma, there is so much to learn and so much to forget. It truly is beautiful. Thanks again.