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Published on December 2, 2004 By BlueDev In Personal Relationships
Group dynamics are a fascinating thing. And while I don't have any formal training in that area I have had a fair amount of leading groups and working with them, as well as a bizarre fascination with observing the manner in which humans interact with each other. In that time I have noticed many phenomena, one of which has been more on my mind as of late.

Interesting things happen to people when they get together. No matter the group they are in, once they begin to congregate the beginnings of the ugly mob mentality take root.

It happens in real life, it happens on the net. Those who are like-minded in some manner will find each other, or find their commonalities, and begin to gang up. Political discussions are a prime example, but this is evident elsewhere. A member of the group gets a bee in their bonnet and suddenly the cajoling, back-slapping, and encouraging gains momentum. The enemy of one becomes the enemy of all. The cause of one becomes the cause of all.

This can be beneficial, as the collective efforts of the group can often accomplish much good. But as with all things in life, it is a two edged sword. In an effort to support the members of our mob we can often forget our own identity to a degree. We adopt the ideas of the others and begin to assimilate them into our own. And with this can come a negativity for that which we have no cause to hate.

Then it gets ugly. Suddenly we see groups attacking others they deem to be weaker than themselves. Often members of the group are carried along, somewhat unwillingly, but without the strength to separate them from the mob. The fever heightens, emotion runs high, the members of the mob feed off that emotional rush and rational thought becomes the slave to gut reaction, subsumed by the roiling tide of "Way to go!", and "You tell him/her!"

In the wake of this tide are the ruins of what may have once been flourishing relationships, now broken and bent under the force of the mob. But if we fail to see past the haze of smoke rising from the torches, we may never see the damage we leave behind on our "righteous" quest to "kill the beast".

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on Dec 02, 2004
In real life, I have always observed that weak minded individuals who feel they must belong, love to tag along with strong personalities who are or can be menancing and malicious minded. I have to come to a conclusion that these weak minded followers who shout along to whatever tune their leader is tooting are only doing it because they actually enjoy persecuting someone who is probably better than themselves. They wouldn't admit it, but they love to watch others suffer. Because it makes them feel better about themselves.

The leader deems something offensive, and they will all agree. How dare you if you don't agree. Let's tear that person down by analysing everything that person do and fitting her against a negative stereotype. While we do that, let's smash our shiny mirrors.

None of these idiots know the reason why they should be hating so-and-so, only that this person has done something to one of their own. Who cares how it happened. Who cares if it has nothing to do with them who is insignificant to the argument between two individuals. No right to attack our friend, even if she is wrong. Wow... we should be so far away from school days, yes? *sarcastic*
on Dec 02, 2004
Is this an America vs Islam article?

Or, is this a Republican vs Democrat article?

Or, is someone just bullying you?

Were you watching Springer?

I'm lost at sea here...
on Dec 02, 2004
This is something to think about, BlueDev. Excellent article.



Frightlever: It's a very relevant article, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to troll on every thread you pass through.
on Dec 02, 2004
Relevant to WHAT? It's an honest question. I'm sorry if you see it as trolling.
on Dec 02, 2004
In fact, I'll tell you how I read this article, if it'll help. And I read back through his blog to get a grip on him and when I hit the one about his daughter's tooth I thought I had the measure of him. Maybe not. I see this as an observation on the American public and their hatred of muslims. Now read the article from that point of view. See anything to disagree with that opinion? That's why I'm confused.
on Dec 02, 2004
Frightlever: I generally see you as leaving antagonizing comments on others' threads, please forgive me if I have misjudged you. I don't know BlueDev's thoughts and cannot speak for him, but his article seems to be relevant to recent "events" in the JU world.
on Dec 02, 2004
I think BlueDev is just making a general observation of the behavoir of groups.
on Dec 02, 2004
Okay, so I'm guilty of reading too much into it. Hell, I even checked CNN to see if there was a story that I'd missed in the UK. If this is "just" about the various debates on JU then I'm kinda disappointed.

I am antagonizing. SO... if you don't know BlueDev's thoughts why do you think it's an excellent article? If it was an excellent article, you'd know his thoughts. AND I think it's a fine article but it's just a little too coy for me. If you want to make a statement then make it. To me, you do the coy thing and the punchline is where you explain what you were really talking about. There wasn't a punchline. Or I was just reading too much into it. Hell, it could just be something personal in his life. My point is, I don't know.
on Dec 02, 2004
Yeah, you are antagonizing, and I'm not going to deal with you. Not in the mood for it.
on Dec 02, 2004
Tex--Thanks for sticking up for me. To be honest, I don't think Frightlever was trying to be trolling. I have a habit of writing these sort of vague articles that could be applied to many different situations. Again, I thank you, and since this is the first time I have read anything by Frightlever I am going to give him/her the benefit of the doubt at this moment.

Raven--Your first comment is excellent. Gets an insightful from me. Sadly enough it is our human nature to tear things down. It takes a true effort to overcome that and rise above the morass of misery that we seem so prone to. When we can do it I like to think we shake of just a little bit of our natural, carnal selves and become a bit better. We can, of course, fall again, but getting up and reaching higher is the key. And I think that even the leaders of mobs can be weak people, they just use their frustration and aggression to lead them to rise on the backs of others.
on Dec 02, 2004
Frightlever--Since you are new to my blog at least, let me tell you a bit about the way I write. Often my writing is direct and to the point. I do that when writing about something specific going on in my life, something in my family, or when it is something that really requires it.

However, very often I wax vague, or coy as you put it. Why? Well, I do that because I like to credit those who read what I write to have the intelligence and creativity to take what I write, find something worth value in it, and apply it to their lives in some way. Often my vague articles are inspired by specifics, but the way I think about those specifics leads me to see ties between that one instance and many, many others. And so when I write I try to learn from that specific experience and see how it can benefit me in my personal growth in a general way, and that becomes the article. Often these vague articles give a better glimpse as to who I am and how I work because they are my thought processes as I am exploring in my own mind the general ramifications of specific experiences.

If you feel cheated that I didn't hit you with a punchline, fine. But that isn't my point. My point is often the process that leads me to the conclusion, just as much as the conclusion itself. This article could very possibly be about the bizarre hatred that some in America have for the Muslim world. It could also be in response to something going on in my life (though in this case I can assure you it isn't), or it could be about something that has happened here. Whatever it may be, I saw parallels between that and many more things, and wrote this trusting in your intelligence to make connections where you saw them. Thanks for you comments.
on Dec 02, 2004
If I wasn't trolling, and I certainly wasn't trolling - how was she sticking up for you? She was just attacking me because I didn't agree with her mindset. You may have touched on that in your article...

If it was just a head piece, and didn't specifically refer to any event, then fair enough.

NOBODY is going to say they support mob rule. Particularly the mob leader(s). However there's a pretty strong biological need in people to band together against that which is different to them. It's a preconditioned response to keep us safe from harm, particularly disease and invaders. Ever watched Chimp Diaries? I defy you not to involve yourself in mob behaviour. It can't be done.
on Dec 02, 2004
If I wasn't trolling, and I certainly wasn't trolling - how was she sticking up for you? She was just attacking me because I didn't agree with her mindset. You may have touched on that in your article...


Sorry, reading that comment again I realize when I changed some of the wording I forgot put in something I had meant to. I meant to say "Thanks for sticking up for me, but I don't think it was necessary in this case". At least that was what I was thinking, obviously that never made it to the screen.

And yes, it is difficult to not get dragged into mob behavior. But I believe we can, and must rise above that; that we are more than base, primate consciences destined to live out carnal existences, slaves to whatever chemical may be coursing through our brain in the greatest concentration. If you knew me this would come as no surprise, but since you don't I don't expect you to. And so while you assert we can't avoid being party to mob behavior I will assert it must be done if we are ever going to be more than a random collection of cells.
on Dec 02, 2004
I appreciate the civil welcome and while I'm not trolling, I'm not going to pretend I'm sweetness and light. I lack empathy so I can come across as blunt at times. Please take this in the most generous of terms BUT, if you're going to post an article which has to be posted because you feel there is something which needs to be addressed but you don't specify what you're actually commenting on THEN you're basically pulling the same trick the telephone fortune tellers do. Keep it vague and everybody gets a little something. Whatever.. I know your heart's in the right place. Thanks for at least giving me a chance to explain myself.
on Dec 02, 2004
Frightlever: It has nothing to do with mindset. I have a grudge with you that has developed from watching your negative and disparraging comments on many threads. It appeared that you were attempting to do the same here. I'm sorry I even commented. My apologies, BlueDev.
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