I shouldn't be bothered with you, you just don't get it.
You said 'near future', not now.

And plenty of news sources have stated that Vista WILL support EFI, in the 64-bit version.

The only feature MS has promised that hasn't been fufilled is WinFS, and even a year or two ago they said it wouldnt make it. Fortunately, they have made Vista search just as good as WinFS IMO.

vista is surely not the change between OS 9 to OSX

No-one ever said it would be.

You really should do your reasearch before you start rambling about.

well, i get it now, u will have ur nice 64 bit capable intel core duo with a vista normal edition running bios LOL,well in any case good for microsoft, they moved to the new century, funny that there will be seperate versions, nice selling technic, and well truth be told, if there is no big leap between xp and vista, i think people will get tired of a same system only "better" and well, it conforts me to know pc fans dont expect as much, so osx will still be a more efficent and stable OS, as vista will still be a nice winxp.And no one actually said it would be, they just said it was microsoft biggest leap.And if that's all that microsoft can do, well sofware wise, that's simply sad.BTW the powermac CURRENTLY handles 4tb of RAM, which exist, but not for a very comercial sale, so u should reaserch before u start rambling bout, just go to the link i sent u, the powermac specs are well put there and it states it CURRENTLY handles up to 4 tb of ram, even though currently is no comercial or feasable for apple to selll it with that specs, which in that case u can buy it externally, as apple only goes as far as 16 gb of factory installed RAM.i have never seen a quad with 4 tb, heck never used one, but the ITESM insitute in mèxico currently has a 1tb RAM quad powermac, so yes, its possible, even though they probably spent more on RAM that on the actual mac, but they use it for scientific reaserch and calculus, actually its where right know the votes for pressident are beign calculated here in mèxico, u can find a link which talks bout the computer, they're plenty out there.

Huh? Stop going into outer space here.

You said my PC wont handle 4 teras of Ram in the future, I say it will.
I never said Apple hadn't done it already. Plus they don't manufacture the actual hardware. As far as I know, Intel does it

lolapoa....now nobody'd call you a fanatical fanboy, would they!! Could they?

Maybe you should have a word with Steve Jobs....maybe your undaunting enthusiasm for all that is Mac will get you a job as head of sales...given your determination to convince all and sundry that Mac is supreme, above all else.

Mind you, given Apple's 10% market share, you'd want to do a better job than here or it'll nose-dive to below that. Put bluntly, you're showing the same arrogance as the Apple ads by extolling the virtues of Mac while denigrating Windows based PC's....something that's not appreciated too much by those who own and enjoy using Windows.

By all means, tell us how you enjoy using Mac, OS-X, but please come down off the zealots soap box and comment on its features, rather than rubbish the opposition to give it an undeserved 'Godly' status. Okay, Mac stuff is good, we get it, but hey, it's not all that is good....to each his own, eh!

vista will still be a nice winxp.

Unfortunately, this is not correct.

The graphics driving code is completely different. This is just one of the differences.

Personally, I do not consider a computer anything more than a tool, so I have no interest in degrading others for their efforts (whether it be a person or a company).

Microsoft is starting to move in the direction of "Live" services with the departure of Bill Gates from the day to day runnings of the business. He is now working in the areas of providing better futures for others by providing funds for many education based programs.

At some point, the use of Microsoft as the "big bad wolf" will end, and another enemy will have to be found for the ever present need to fight.

well i didint know intel did the powermac, i thought it was g5 OMG!
í have not denigrated windows, i just wanna take case the diference between both OS, hell pc is great for buisness, i work at the latin america division of a animation studios, and even though some weird oowner loves mac (wonder who it would be) we use pc to make mostly office docs, specially excel, as the office division does have pc's, and they are good in what they do, but they crash more often, have more virus more often,etc,and osx justs, gets buggy with apps till the software company realeses a patch,doesnt freeze if u dont over demand the harware (macs have panics whan the amount of ram, cpu, and paging is not able to keep up with all that ur doing,windows and ALL OS out there do the same)does 3d rendering for animations better, is more user friendly, has a 3d interface, doesnt spend ram in generic processes, its organized (windows folder looks like a train wreck, correct me if im wrong)it UNIX based (10 times as stable as any MS-DOS, its mainly used for super servers, maybe uv'e heard bout it). OH and one more thing dont take bill gates as a giving charity god, use google and search for QDOS,that is what made bill gates be recalled by many as a thief, or watch the silicon pirates movie, even steve jobs has done stupid, selfish and things that almost got apple lost, i hate steve,he uses the "friendly" game, but dont get me wrong, hes not much better than mr gates. oh and on the new INTEL G5

OH and one more thing dont take bill gates as a giving charity god

I don't think he is a god (far from it). My point was that he is leaving the daily running of MS to others now, and is pursuing a path that will help others and leave a statement about the things he cares about in the end.

IMO - life is a culmination of all that one does, the bad and the good, which can only be truly summarized at the end.

From my understanding, he believes in treating problems not by throwing money at them, but by educating people on the cause of problems and how to prevent them (the teaching of which will be done by others). His willingness to provide funding towards programs that fit this definition is just one example of a wealthy person wanting to give back to the world which has provided so much for that person. The recent support of Warren Buffet is another example of the great possibilities of what funded organizations can do for the world.

When you compare the generosity of these possibilities to the business environment currently supporting the "Mac vs. PC" battle, it seems to put the human element into perspective - at least from my point of view.

I think it is great that there are different machines with different operating systems, and feel that each provide a great experience for many different people.

lolapoa,

You have some valid points, though it would be great if you could place some line breaks between some of your sentences which would result in easier reading.

No offense intended, just a simple step toward an accepted approach to presenting words in a legible way (not that I am a well honed professional writer).

Sorry, and well i dont belive that from bill gates, as he has earned success by fraudulent acts...and that cant stand.

Ok, the Gates foundation is there, but sometimes ppl just don know the story behid the story, i mean bill maybe not that rich if he didnt lie when he bought Qdos froma garage based company for 500 dolars, saying he had a very small company that wanted the os, well IBM was not small....what a quality person right? that's my referral, maybe hes doing good, but that's to clear his mind up....OOPS sorry just installed tiger 10.4.7 and have to reboot, see ya.

Oh by the way i work for disney latin america, animation department (pixar latin america) and as i stated, the diference between pc fans and mac fans is this: i dont insult pc, its good for what people need it, but mac os y as good in its apps and ppl here just go, photoshop runs better on pc, video edition better on pc, 3d rendering better on pc, and well its not true, mac has zealots cus pc thinks in a box "what is ms based welcome, what is not its trash" its sad that people think like this.

Im still in college and work as sponsor there so i get laid with the office work 50% of the time, even though im 2 weeks from finishing college (thank god!) and im going in formerly as a designer, the point is i boot my mac in windows 50% of the time, cus it makes better office job, and that's the intention of windows, as for mac is mostly heavy duty rendering, design, and stable more accurate stuff.

but they crash more often, have more virus more often,etc

Was in my local Apple store.....another customer was complaining his G4 was freezing and crashing while he was editing DVD's, that the only way he could get out of lock-up was to hard shut down and restart. The store clerk suggested that intensive graphics work can do that (even on a Mac), that he could try doing things in smaller blocks and save his work to create the finished product....or that he may have a virus/trojan and should run an anti virus program.....

Does that deter me from getting a Mac? No it does not....what's more off-putting is the snobbery and fanboyism that's prevelant within the Mac community, something that's fostered, nurtured even, by the advertising mentality, elitist prices and Steve Jobs' smug attitude....

Heaven forbid that when I actually own one, a zealots soap box sprouts beneath my feet and I start bumping my gums with fanboy-speak. If that happens I'll have to sell it!

Here's an aquarium that I LOVE that you CAN'T run on a mac.

http://www.dreamaquarium.com

Amazing how somehow they got it to run on a PC (which everybody knows can't do graphics???)

INTEL G5

Dammt lolapola, how many times do we tell you to not just start typing stuff when it isn't valid?! What you just wrote made you look incredibly stupid. Intel does not make the G5 processor, IBM and Motorola do. The Intel PowerMac will be called the Mac Pro, feature a Dual-Core Conroe (Intel Core Duo 2) or Dual-Dual-Core Conroes (4 cores).

See, I'm at least somewhat intelligent.

Our nearest Apple Store is in another state (New Hampshire)

sorry, but right now there sticking with g5,im sorry to tell u! and i know it from a good source, oh and i said that the graph work goes better on a mac,and RENDERING, is better on a mac, just go to disney/pixar and see what computers they use to animate. Oh and like i said, mac has kernel panics when u load more than ur specs can handle!
oh and the powerbook is somhow old,ppl with mac had to wait to get into a desktop mac to make heavy work cus as u stated, g4 was like an intel PIII,sloooow old and sluggish,another factor on making a dvd (specially using idvd software) is the coding, one slight mistake on the menu (for instance not converting audio to aac) will make idvd impossible to open the file, even though u saw it with the music when u first did it, common issue, use google or go to www.macosx.com and meowy, i heard bout macbook 3 moths before launch, and mini, and MBP,never heard of mac pro as the substitute of powemac, it will be intel's twin version, but g5 will stick in, in fact, only quad stays and will remain as the top of the line system, im not sure, but then why do they keep doing things in universal binary, why not then do what the did to os9, emulate osx software...cus g5 is staying!

Nope everything will be Intel once the new one comes out in August.

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=21162

Indeed, the Intel Conroe (current codename of the desktop chip) has already been manufactured with four cores on the die.

They (Intel) have indicated that the first release will have two cores on the die, and future releases will most likely have four cores.

There are other codenames (I did not bookmark the article) for the notebook and server chips from this next generation family of chips from Intel.

I do know that the desktop and notebook chips support power management similar to the speed stepping capabilities of the Pentium "M" chips, which are widely considered Intel's best chip to date when considering work load to power use (and heat) ratio.

It should be exciting for both the PC and Mac platform when these are released, especially if they get the four core (true quad) released with good power management and heat dissipation.